Indian Holocaust My Father`s Life and Time: Fwd: [bangla-vision] Hazrat Ali, r.a. never opposed Khulafa Rashidoon. He was on thyeir side. RE: Discussing Treacheries of Ismailies or those who did not elect Hazrat Ali as the first Khalifa is useless Not conducive for Peace and Unity

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From: kaukab siddique <butshikan@msn.com>
Date: Sat, Aug 7, 2010 at 4:45 AM
Subject: [bangla-vision] Hazrat Ali, r.a. never opposed Khulafa Rashidoon. He was on thyeir side. RE: Discussing Treacheries of Ismailies or those who did not elect Hazrat Ali as the first Khalifa is useless Not conducive for Peace and Unity

Mr. Al Haider

There is a difference between "infidels" and oppressors.
The Qur'an condemns cooperation with oppressors.. Read the Qur'an. Christians and Jews who are not oppressors need not worry.

Look at Ali, r.a., and Hussain, r.a. Did they cooperate with oppressors?

Are you trying to defend Aga Khan?

If the West continues to attack Islam, it will be defeated because Allah is with the Islamic resistance.
Aga Khan is clever but Islam is too strong for him.

Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 15:41:02 -0700
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Subject: Re: Discussing Treacheris of Ismailies or those who did not elect Hazrat Ali as the first Khalifa is useless Not conducive for Peace and Unity
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Cooperation with oppressors-kafirs is strictly FORBIDDEN in the Qur'an and Hadith.
so what you are saying here is Muslims should not have any dealing with west ..they are infidels, do-not deal with hindus since they are kafirs and cannot deal with China since they don't believe in God ..so Mr PhD look around all you have left is a bunch of camel jockeys and sheep herder , hell I bet the shorts that you are wearing is made in one of the Kafiristan since you don't shave so we don't need to worry about shavers made by infidels..GROW UP KAU TRY TO LET OTHER LIVE IN PEACE AND STOP PREACHING HATE..... ITS NOT THAT HARD

When God leads you to the edge of the cliff, trust Him fully and let go.
Only 1 of 2 things will happen,
either He'll catch you when you fall, or He'll teach you how to fly!

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Subject: RE: Discussing Treacheris of Ismailies or those who did not elect Hazrat Ali as the first Khalifa is useless Not conducive for Peace and Unity

Cooperation with oppressors-kafirs is strictly FORBIDDEN in the Qur'an and Hadith.

Killing Muslims to help Crusaders is part of Ismaili history. This is not my opinion.

If you have evidence that Aga Khan is descendant of Ali, r.a., please post it. Remember, we need EVIDENCE, not opinion.

Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 22:04:03 +0530
From: mukhtaralam2000@yahoo.com
Subject: Discussing Treacheris of Ismailies or those who did not elect Hazrat Ali as the first Khalifa is useless Not conducive for Peace and Unity
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Kaukab saheb,

Assalam-o-alaikum, I think there is no use reminding about the crimes of Ismailis to those who are here in this discussion and this critique of the visit of the begum of HH Agha Khan to Israel should be of no concern for us unless this was meant for harming the interests of Muslims.I am sure, this is not the case as we need to acknowledge the role he has played according to the information provided by us by Mohtarma Zeenat Khan. There are several factors and it is credible that PLO might not have wanted to let HH Agha Khan to have credit for building peace in the region. Appointing of an Ismaili for being the representative to Muslim should not be concern for us unless, this representative is working for harming the interests of Muslims and Islam, which he is not. Farah Pandit was here in India and he informed about the big outreach planned with the Muslim youths. I had the previlege of being in the meeting here in New Delhi organised by India Islamic Centre and Muslim leadership representing diverse flavours were present here .I remeber the strong speech of the professor of Jamia Millia Islamia.

As informed earlier, writing from the perspective of ecological safety, I seek inter-faith united action on usury, ecologically hostile energy leisure ,exhibitionist consumption in order to reduce the emissions of green houses gases in here and now. I would like to request you consider this rather than debating on the number of times though even for that HH Agha Khan has given a firman. Zina Khan is defending the way it is done now in jamaatkhanas/masajids.It is better these are left for the individuals as these matters are always left with the individuals while engaging in best communication.

Your remarks raising doubts on the lineage is again not desirable as this goes against the faith of more than 16 billion fellow Muslims some of whom are abusive ,but nonetheless, they are Muslims. Nothing can be forced in the matter of religion and this is very much in line with the commands of Allah and best traditions of debate.

Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam
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Sent: Fri, 6 August, 2010 9:34:50 PM
Subject: Now and in the past. RE: Treachery is part of Ismaili history. RE: Ismailis mutilated Muslims. Document. RE: Tried to murder Salahuddin Ayyubi. Ismailis' history of hostility to Islam & Muslims. RE: dON'T CARE///Change//RE: How is it possible that Alm

It's important to remember that there is no evidence that Ismailis are connected to Ali, r.a.
They have always been enemies of Islam and Muslims. Treachery, betrayal and stab-in-the back has been their role.
It is not surprising that they are working with Israel. As I posted earlier, the Aga Khan's begum went to Israel with an invitation from the top Israeli leadership.

Don't confuse the Ismailis with Shi'as. They are rejected by Shi'as too. Their only friends are the enemies of Islam, be it Israel, NATO or dictators and torturers.

The time when they had power, under the fatmids for example, they committed terrible acts of treachery.

One of the greatest jihad leaders against the Crusaders, Sharaf ad-Dawlah Mawdood [1108-1113 c.e] was assassinated by an Ismaili batini when the mujahid leader, who was fasting, was coming out of juma' prayers. [al-Kamil fit-Tareekh by Ibn al-Atheer, vol.8, p.551]
Thus the Ismailis struck a serious blow at Islamic leadership which was a great help to the Crusaders.

We should always remember that Ismailis are working behind Israel and NATO just as Ismailis were working behind the Crusaders.

Bush, the arch enemy of Muslims, chose an American Ismaili to be his rep to the Muslim world.

Date: Fri, 6 Aug 2010 14:35:12 +0530
From: mukhtaralam2000@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: Treachery is part of Ismaili history. RE: Ismailis mutilated Muslims. Document. RE: Tried to murder Salahuddin Ayyubi. Ismailis' history of hostility to Islam & Muslims. RE: dON'T CARE///Change//RE: How is it possible that Almighty God could leav
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Yasir sahbeViewing from India and specially from the way the month of Muharram is observed in Indias by Shias and Sunnis ( different styles), this video and the slogans are absolutely out of place for me.

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Dear Mr. Mukhtar I would like you to see this You tube video and I would like you to kindly write in reply on this email what they are chanting you may get what I am saying over here

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UU7wzNDgZuw&feature=related

On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:25 PM, Dr.Muhammad Mukhtar Alam <mukhtaralam2000@yahoo.com> wrote:

We have a future to build and how we do this contributing our best should be the issue. Yasir saheb, you assume Muslims associated with some Jamaats not having love for ahle-bait, though that is not the truth as all these groups of Muslims that you name have love for ahle-bait .If politics is abjured by Imam, then there would be leaders who based on their understandings would lead while being in consultation. Some of the despots did not do this. There are diverse context. I think, we could focus on how Imamat gets transformed in an institution guiding the humanity in matters of war and peace as well.

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Again :) lot of stories no substance Keep going Kaukab your history is full of betrayls and massacres as well. Your history is all about killing ahle bait.

Prophet R.A was betrayed at Death Bed.
Maula Ali A.S was betrayed
Imam Hasan A.S Was poisened
Imam Hussain Was martered

All SHia Imams were persecuted by Sunnis.
Almost all Ismaili Imams were persecuted and threatened and killed where ever they got oppertunity by Sunnis.
why did mongols ( LOL Crusaders as per your Gulshan) attacked Castle of Almout :) they were directed by Sunnis.

SO history is quite Long . You talk of Ismailis collaborating with enemies of Islam . You and your people are enemies of Islam.

Come up with better history.

I should say NO EDUCATION IS dangerous and people like you with some 100 followers its pathetic

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 9:27 PM, kaukab siddique <butshikan@msn.com> wrote:

I don't see this Ismaili giving any references. Little reading is a dangerous thing.

The point I am making is that Ismailis have betrayed Islam and Muslims throughout history.
The Fatimid Ismailis let the crusaders take Islamic cities.
When Salahuddin tried to fight crusaders, Ismailis tried to kill him.

Treachery is part of Ismaili way of life.

Today Aga Khan supports Israel, NATO and all tyrants.

His educational institutions are taking Muslims away from Islam.
Aga Khan is westernized and is westernizing with his money. He is with the enemies of Islam, as the Fatimids were, except that he cannot kill openly.
Ali, r.a., opposed tyranny. Aga Khan supports ALL tyrants, be they King Abdullah or Mubarak of Egypt.

The Ismailis listen to Aga Khan not to Qur'an, just like Fatimids who destroyed Islamic law.
We need Salahuddin to liberate Jerusalem and to put an end to Ismaili treachery.
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Date: Thu, 5 Aug 2010 10:01:10 +0500
Subject: Re: Ismailis mutilated Muslims. Document. RE: Tried to murder Salahuddin Ayyubi. Ismailis' history of hostility to Islam & Muslims. RE: dON'T CARE///Change//RE: How is it possible that Almighty God could leave millions of His creatures without an IMA
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LOL Kaukab Can you get one resource that is not as biased as who ever you are refering from.

BY the way I asked you before do you have any proofs that Education health care and microfinance are doing any harm to Muslim world operated by AKDN :)

Come on you can do betta than this

On Thu, Aug 5, 2010 at 3:33 AM, kaukab siddique <butshikan@msn.com> wrote:

Ismaili "caliphate" of the Fatimids was established in Tunis . It was founded by Ubaydallah al-Mahdi, the Shi'ii Ismaili. "He openly reviled the Companions of the Prophet, pbuh and his wives ....and he claimed that the Companions of the Prophet , peace and blessings of Allah be on them] apostatized after his death except he a few... Sunnis were subjected to EXTREME persecution.... " He then started indirectly reviling the Prophet, pbuh, himself." Names of the Sahabah were written on pieces of paper which were then attached to the heads of dead donkeys and sheep and hung up at the doors of shops.

Sunnis who objected "were killed and their bodies mutilated. [Source: Juhood Ulama al-Maghrib by Ibraheem Tilhami, p.291]

The Ismailis today have no power, so they are using Israel, America and dictators to kill Muslims.
Aga Khan is the friend of the blood thirsty enemies of Islam.

[To be continued.]

Date: Wed, 4 Aug 2010 10:49:49 +0500
Subject: Re: Tried to murder Salahuddin Ayyubi. Ismailis' history of hostility to Islam & Muslims. RE: dON'T CARE///Change//RE: How is it possible that Almighty God could leave millions of His creatures without an IMAM
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why, do you need time to distort facts .. I don't need this much time. What did muawiya do to Islam & Shiaism. What did Yazid do to Islam ? Why were shias Killed by Hajjaj bin yousuf why was salahuddin so very much against Shias.. Can you point out massacres against Sunnis by shias ???? other than war injuries ... Ismailis in particular & shias in general have been persecuted by Sunnis since 1400 Years How many Shia Imams were murdered by Sunnis ??? What harm did they do to Sunnis ??? in recent time Taliban Butchered hundred of thousands of Shias ( ismaili & Asna Ashri ) combine in Afghnistan, in Pakistan Iraq, Somalia & in Iran

Why ismalis lived in isolated communities all around the world ? it is because of the hostilities from Sunni majority

If Ismailis killed Saljuks at the time of Hasan bin Sabbah that was due to there continuous attack on ismailis and that even after properly giving them advance advices to step back...

that were your historian who at that time easily blamed every political murder from Asia to Europe to Ismailis...

Distorting the facts is easy for you so keep doing it.

On Wed, Aug 4, 2010 at 10:38 AM, kaukab siddique <butshikan@msn.com> wrote:

Looks like you don't know your history of terrible Ismaili crimes against top Islamic leaders and against Islam in general.

I'll teach you in a few days.

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Subject: Re: Tried to murder Salahuddin Ayyubi. Ismailis' history of hostility to Islam & Muslims. RE: dON'T CARE///Change//RE: How is it possible that Almighty God could leave millions of His creatures without an IMAM
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See this is What I Call Hatred and sectarian biasness :)

Should I start naming who sided with imperialistic power to achieve what

what about Saudi Arab lebonan Syria Iraq Kuwait UAE, Qatar Maskat ???

People do you see now that finally he is acknowledging the fact that Yes Ismailis have been in the history for 1400 Years and way before ZXionist were existed so atleast I appreciate him acknowledging the history .
Ismailis have always sided with there Imam ? What did Fatimids do to Islam ?? Sunnis lived peacefully in Fatimids empire .. Salauhiddin defeated the Ismaili Mustaili Khilafat Ismaili Nizaris shifted to Iran at that time so you are technically wrong again.
Islam allowed killing in defence do you really think ismailis as being minority were moving around with swords to kill any one and every one ??? I dont expect sucha achildish argument from some one of your age.

Shah Karim does what is best for the Islam .. trying to educate the masses and trying to provide them with Healthcare Ask your mullahs with Petro dollars to this instead to spreading hatred and soon Muslim world will get the power they had back

On Mon, Aug 2, 2010 at 10:32 PM, kaukab siddique <butshikan@msn.com> wrote:

Throughout history Ismailis have sided with the enemies of Islam.
Ubayd established the Fatimid Ismaili "caliphate" which committed some of the worst crimes in Muslim history.
Salahudding Ayyubi had to defeat them before he could liberate Jerusalem.

The Nizari Ismailis tried to kill Salahuddin, one of the greatest heroes of Islam.
Fortunately they failed.

It is not surprising that today Aga Khan is an ally of the crusaders who have occupied Muslim lands.
That's what his ancestors too did.

No one should be surprised that Hasni Essa [Aga Khani] is distributing Zionist propaganda including the TIME MAGAZINE photo.

History repeats itself.

Aga Khan does not have power like that of the Fatimids, so he is working through crusader occupation forces, "Muslim" dictators and Zionists.

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Subject: dON'T CARE///Change//RE: How is it possible that Almighty God could leave millions of His creatures without an IMAM
Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 20:52:06 -0700

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WHO CARES WHAT SHE DOES! NOW EVERYBODY KNOWS WHO ARE THESE
ABUSERS.
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Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 21:52:49 -0700
From: Naseem>
Subject:> Change to Hinduism
To: >pardah52@hotmail.com

Salamu A. Kum: Sister Gulshan:
Tell this woman zina:
"It is so easy to copy and paste. One doesn't n need any knowledge.
Let us see for a change, if she can talk about Hinduism her religion.
She must have full knowledge of it. She won't need the copy paste:
Nobody can become a Muslim by copying pasting. One has to accept
Quran, Allah and Islam to become a Muslim".
>>>>>>>
Take care.
Salam

Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 19:42:49 -0700
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Basra is a big city and the main port of Iraq. It is situated at the mouth of river Euphrates.

There, in a big mosque, about 700 AD, people used to assemble to discuss various subjects on Islamic rules and laws.

A famous learned priest/clergyman by name Amr Bin Ubeid was once preaching on the subject of Imamate (An Islamic term referring to "leadership" of Imams who followed Prophet Muhammad (saw) in leadership of Islam, according to Shi'a belief.

He was surrounded by a big crowd of people who were asking various questions on the subject.

Suddenly, a young and intelligent student of Imam Jafar al-Sadiq (AS) by name of Hesham, entered the gathering and sat down in the first row.

He addressed the priest saying that he was a stranger and would like to ask some questions.

On getting the permission to do so, he asked the following:

Hesham: First, Sir! May I please know if you have eyes?

Amr: Young Boy! Is this a question to ask?

Hesham: Whatever it may be, this is my question to which I shall appreciate your answer.

Amr: All right! You are at liberty to ask, even though it is a foolish question.

Hesham: As I have already asked, Sir, may I please know if you have eyes?

Amr: Yes, I have.

Hesham: For what use are they?

Amr: With eyes, I can see faces of people and color of various things.

Hesham: And you have a nose also?

Amr: Yes. I do have one.

Hesham: What is its function?

Amr: I smell the scent and odor by it.

Hesham: And do you have a mouth?

Amr: Yes I do have.

Hesham: For what use is it?

Amr: I can talk to people or taste food and drink with it.

Hesham: Do you have ears?

Amr: Yes, I have two ears.

Hesham: What is their function?

Amr: I can hear voices by them.

Hesham: And do you have a mind?

Amr: Almighty has bestowed me with that also.

Hesham: What is its use?

Amr: With that I am able to distinguish things whatever is felt by the other senses like hands, eyes, ears, nose, tongue etc. In case of a difference, I am able to solve with its help. In case of a doubt, I can dispel with it and be sure.

Hesham: So, does it mean that despite being sound and healthy, all these organs cannot function independently without the help of the mind.

Amr: No, No! None of the organs can function independently without the help of the mind.

Hesham: Why is it so? After all, the organs are perfect and strong enough to differentiate between things?

Amr: Young Boy! When any organ has some doubt about a thing, which it smells, sees or tastes, it brings the matter to the mind and it is the mind, which confirms the truth and removes the doubt.

Hesham: So, from what you have said, do you want me to understand that God Almighty has created and designed the mind to guide the organs and remove doubts?

Amr: Yes! It is so.

Hesham: So the mind is a necessity, otherwise the organs could not work independently.

Amr: Yes.

Hesham: Please Sir! Proclaim your opinion with fairness and justice on this point also. If the Almighty has not left the organs of man's body without the guidance of the mind, how is it possible that Almighty God could leave millions of His creatures without an IMAM to guide and solve their problems arising out of doubts and conflicts? Should not our common sense accept this fact?

On hearing this logic argument, and having no answer to give, Amr Bin Ubeid kept silent and went into deep thinking.